In two self-conducted interviews, alumnus Robert Shaw recalls his time at UW-Madison as an undergraduate and for a short while at the Law School, and his subsequent career writing for television. 1990 interview: Background; Student life; Writing for Badger Yearbook and Daily Cardinal; Sigma Nu fraternity experience; Influence of Ruth Wallerstein, William Kiekhofer, Wallace Stegner, Walter Agard and Lloyd Garrison; Firing of President Glenn Frank; Opening of Union Theater; Campus social events; Course taught by Sinclair Lewis; Dean Scott Goodnight; Career as screen writer for TV shows including "Mr. District Attorney," "Peyton Place," "Medical Center," "Hawaiian Eye" and "Dallas." 1989 interview: Background; B.A. in English; Year in Law School; Influence of English Professor Wallace Stegner and Dean of Law School Lloyd Garrison; Career after leaving UW.